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Misdirection, Misinformation, Persuasion, and Propaganda
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    Listen only to what I say, and ignore what I do not. Trust me implicitly. I wouldn’t lie to you.
    (I know someone will take that seriously and post "well I just stopped reading as soon as I saw that BS. . . but they probably wouldn't have read this post anyways)

    I studied language, English specifically, and Psychology. Within both fields, I studied persuasion. I imagine stage magicians understand it better than I, for much of persuasion requires misdirection. One could hold you in rapt attention and tell you no lies, and yet you would be deceived. Sometimes, they even say, “This is the only thing worth debating.” Certainly a message follows, something clearly spoken and moving, specifically designed to provoke an emotional reaction (because persuasion through misdirection rarely attempts to provoke your intellect). Once you’re sucked in, they have you.

    If you look on fox.com, for instance, you see provocative headlines that may enrage you, and may be technically true. In the media, such “grabber” styles have headlined whatever media form available for as long as any media forms have existed. This is to get your attention, of course. If they put something boring up there, you wouldn’t bother to read it. The news would go unsold, and shutters close. Really, how many people read text books for fun? This process, however, also formed the basis of propaganda. It’s been widely used throughout history.

    I don’t want this to go off topic, so understand this is purely hypothetical and not designed to inspire debate on the merits: Imagine back in the early centuries A.D. there existed an organization that found itself met with apathy. People had jobs to do, after all, and much else on their minds that directly affected them—much like today. So imagine this organization wanted to increase its membership, its revenue, and perhaps enjoy some longevity, and of course the chief executive officers want an abundance of luxury. The best way to do this then would follow three steps:

    1. Turn the organization’s message into something that would appear to directly affect the masses.

    2. Provoke emotions, especially anger, guilt, those bio-chemicals and receptors we are so easily addicted to.

    3. Use shame, authority, and conformity to make the message go ‘viral.’

    What would you get?

    1. Believe not only in Christ but in the sacraments of the Catholic Church, which is unimpeachable, or go to hell.

    2. Christ died for your sins, sacrificing himself for all, what a hero.

    3. All who do not have sinned against God, shame on them. Go forth and evangelize.

    For the record I am a Christian, and I am not saying that the above hypothetical happened in any calculated way, but look at the result: gold ornamentation everywhere, tithes from across the globe, and millennia of longevity. This same model fits with Wahabbi Islam (the radical sect that believes in the pillar of jihad), though the CEOs drank their own kool-aid.

    This trick applies to the media, to motivate countries to war, and to justify all manner of atrocities.

    Once you start seeing the turns of phrase designed to provoke anger you should become suspicious of them, and investigate the interest of the writer or publisher. You should always ask yourself, why is this person talking to me, what is his interest?

    Once you’ve identified the interest you can understand not only what the message says but what purpose the message was written for.

    A team of psychologists performed a study of persuasion on two groups. I forget who or where, but I remember the study. The first group was well informed, and interested in the topic. The second group was (while not entirely disinterested), previously had little experience with the topic and had little information by which to compare to the topic.

    The team split each group in two, so one-half of the first and second groups heard a message on the topic from someone in casual clothes who formed his argument through reason and logic. The other half of the first and second group heard the argument from the same man, but he wore a suit, glasses, and spoke with fire and passion, pointing his finger in places and calling condemnation on dissent.

    The first group found the reasonable argument more persuasive, and the second group found the second argument more persuasive—both by very far margins.

    Now this study was conducted many years ago, but even then most people had some innate basic knowledge that this is just how it works. For centuries media based propaganda pushed us in one direction or another, and believe it or not in the United States the discourse has become more reasonable and more and more money and newer tactics have come out. Perhaps the most common one these days is spokespeople: the idea is you pay someone who looks authoritative (like the man wearing the suit), and you give him a series of credentials (like “President of the Heritage Foundation Think Tank”), and then he makes a rational sounding argument and gives somebody support.

    It does not stop at one message. Sure, simply suggesting Spain sank one of our naval ships and to war we must go might be enough for that purpose, but other purposes require a little more reason sprinkled in with the vitriol. This is where the heart of misdirection today lies; give all the facts that support one argument, and no more. In and of itself however, over the long term, that’s not enough—you need something more. . .

    Imagine a man who finishes all his schooling without really considering politics. He never took a journalism class or psychology beyond PSY 101, and slept through “American Politics.” He gets his first job where the CEO and Board of Directors openly support the ideologies that provide them a benefit. He’s still not terribly interested but he plays the part. He leaves work and goes to the gym and sees on the television what’s going on and what his employers were talking about, and wham! Obama’s a socialist?! How dare he! That’s bad right?! Before you know it he’s listening to Rush during his morning commute, hearing every fact that supports an argument mixed in with accusations and condemnation of any dissent.
    This principle is called inoculation—it can intentionally indoctrinate anyone not previously inoculated to ignore or dismiss opposing arguments. New arguments actually outrage anyone who hears anything different, and that outrage is biologically and quite literally addictive. They suck in more and more and this is how you get a Congress so divided that a disadvantaged side would drag the country off a cliff just to see the other side fail.

    You might now ask yourself, well then which side is right and which is wrong? (At least for those of you who don’t already think you know). That is the wrong question to ask.

    The better question: How can I inoculate myself and my loved ones against this kind of misinformation?

    The easy answer is to do research. Unfortunately that’s not enough—almost all research into politics today is conducted online and everyone and their mother have their own biased perspective and is ready to make it go viral. The hard answer is still to research, but critically. Use critical thinking skills. Don’t accept what anyone says ever.

    Do not let my words sink in; do not trust me, because I will lie to you.

    Always ask, “what is this writer’s or publisher’s interest”? Why do they want to convince me this? Something’s in it for them. If they’re writing anything full of rhetoric and turns of phrase that mean something without really saying them you can bet they’re trying to misdirect you. If they’re full of anger and spite it’s pretty safe to say their either inoculated with one viewpoint’s dogma or their paid to make you believe it, and paid to shame you into agreeing. If they speak rationally, pointedly, and use lists and graphs then they’re really trying to convince you—either because something’s in it for them, or just maybe that’s how it really is. It’s up to you to figure out which. At the very least control your anger and welcome opportunities for debate. Even in the most biased and disgusting lies you can better understand the truth by a genuine discussion.

    More importantly, be considerate. If not you’re just a dick. I quite recently had to learn this lesson again hard—I got into an argument with someone I was (and still am) convinced had an agenda that didn’t involve helping his fellow men, and in my anger I lashed out (he did too, to be fair). He’s probably going to post a series of conspiracy theories and Ron Paul ads below this post—I don’t know why, that’s just been his MO so far. In any case, my anger made me appear irrational—and perhaps I was—and that detracted from the point I tried to make.

    Final Caveat: I did write all this in one sitting, and I haven’t read through it, and I won’t have time to edit it before I post, so if you noticed some grammatical errors, perhaps run-ons, or just getting myself sidetracked feel free to point that out because I do hope to rectify them eventually.

    Also read http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/233/media-propaganda-techniques-to-be-aware-of because Oppositefear nails many issues on the head.
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    @ skoalbite. I can tell you have studied some of these things, and you lay out some very good examples, words and tactics commonly used in media today in your post. These are the obvious ones to critical thinkers, and anyone with some knowledge of this subject. Phrases that provoke anger and emotion, should make you question motives. I like the magician analogy in the beginning, that is perfect. That sums alot of it up right there. We need to educate people on these things, with much more creative and effective labeling then propaganda. Even that word has condition triggers to it. I think is a better choice of that, methodical, patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive, manipulation and all those words should be used, and repeated.

    That damage of decades of these things bring such insecurity to people, when having to think their country is doing these things is to fearful for them. Maybe that is where the answer to a way to fight back on these basic things is. Under all that emotion, anger, hate, is so much fear. People fear what is different. People love their security blankets and now don't even question why they need them. Maybe find a way to remind them they are wearing them.

    Maybe you can look into that. You should be able to find quite a bit. I get that from reading your post. That would be good. Then maybe look into marketing, the subliminal and far it has come, and the extent to which it has been and is being used.

    We are talking stuff Einstein would be amazed by. Then if you have not seen the corporation documentary, that can't start to give a consensus of the scale, tactics and motives. It also deals with some pshyc profiles that you may enjoy.
    Your post is a good example of one thing I wish people were a whole lot more aware of, it would be helpful to find a new fresh way to frame all of it though, and also some general ways to fight it,and some big thinkers to market it so to speak. It is a huge problem.
    Almost everything we do starts as thought, some people have now found ways around that, and that is frightening.
    Just reread my post again there and it gave me the shivers, the philosophy of futility, to keep people Focused on the insignificant. .

    Repeat after me. methodical, patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive manipulation

    Repeat after me. methodical, patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive manipulation

    methodical, patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive manipulation

    :)
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    Here's a great break down of some manipulation going on, and a little how-to manual for fighting it.



    The good news is, we go to "www.committeeforisrael.com" see the contact us button and click on it. It shows an address: 11 Dupont Circle NW # 325, copy that, google it, and it also shows up as the address for the "Foreign Policy Initiative," http://www.foreignpolicyi.org/ also the e21 "think tank" http://www.economics21.org/files/e21-press-kit-2011.pdf, "Cultural Direction" and "Defending Defense" comes up: http://www.defensestudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Panetta-Questions-final.pdf because it has the FPI address at the bottom. You may notice this article was in conjunction with the AEI and the Heritage Foundation.

    IMHO, these are the biggest propaganda machines in the country, (for instance, they wrote their own wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy_Initiative) but you can still find the controversy section in the FPI's predecessor here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    Great examples. I will check this stuff out and get back. Methodical patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive manipulation. It needs be chanted. I got to go now though
  • marchelomarchelo October 2011 +1 -1
    Excellent post skoalbite. Bravo!

    I studied psychology and visual communication, have worked in marketing for 10 years and can confirm the strategic implementation of these tactics in any and every form of media put before the public. The potential for misdirection is ever present, whither it is a one column ad in the local classifieds or a multimillion dollar national campaign everywhere you can buy space.
    As people are learning about the horrors of factory farms they are creating a boom in the organic market. To capitalize on this trend, the factory farms didn't improve their practices, that would hurt the bottom line. No, they slapped the word "natural" on the same product as before (a claim that is legally defensible, though openly misleading), adorned the packaging with green leaves and graphics (to mimic the USDA Organic seal consumers look for) along with images of small farms or fields- voila! misdirection.

    I agree that it has been... educational participating in these discussions. There is such a wide variety of perspectives congregating here to discuss a difficult and emotionally provocative topic that most aren't comfortable discussing in mixed company- politics. All in all, I'd say were doing pretty good. The level of engagement alone is encouraging! The internet is a VERY competitive media outlet...

    I agree with gavemehope, The Corporation documentary (http://www.thecorporation.com/) is good stuff. Nice and informative and provided a nice twist to the notion of corporate person-hood. Definitely worth the watching
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    If nothing else came of this movement, that we-being of different backgrounds and fields-have been drawn to one place to discuss what this country could and should be is spectacular. This has always been the providence of the most fortunate, but now we claim it as our own.
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    @marchelo you have worked in marketing for ten years? Then you know of the evils I speak. How best do we open peoples eye's of these things? I could use some input.

    Repeat after me. methodical, patient, distracting, persuasive, subliminal, repetitive manipulation
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    I don't know. The people who don't believe in this movement will never come here to learn, they will avoid our reasoning at all costs because they've bought in to what the media feeds them. Think about the Matrix--those people are part of the system until you free their minds--to over-dramatize it somewhat. I've written a few articles in blogs and one paper designed to reach out to the 53%ers, just crack the shell a little. I actually want them to come here for an argument.
  • whitefeather October 2011 +1 -1
    Perhaps that would be a good marketing strategy. Invite them to come and present their arguement. Then they can start the process of healing by opening their minds to the atrocities against humanity. I would welcome this.
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    This invitation idea shouldn't go into full effect until we have implemented the anti-trolling features, because once we open that door a flood will come in. Our best hope is to get the unconvinced in here for real interest, by perhaps making and a youtube video that says, "Hey 53--we want you to come tell us what you want us to know, we also want you to listen to our side, and we don't want rhetoric." What we also want is an increase in thoughtful dialogue among 99ers, more people to come here to discuss what this country could and should be, because that's the only way to find the truth absent misinformation and propaganda.
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    @ Skoalbite I have heard about the 53% more from you than anybody, but reach out if you will. We need to concentrate on making arguments a debate. I share you concerns about trolls, but I may have laid out a strategy of dealing with those things in my talks with Dolphin.
    First instead of getting sucked in by anger you first have to show them respect, and ask them some questions that deal with what we are trying to get accomplished and ask them what their anger gets done too. Let them know that is not a good way to get their message across.
    You must also realize that they are probably just good people who have been deceived, and many conditioned by a manipulative example presented with all the other tricks of maximizing emotion to trick, and distract. If you think of them this way it is a much better way to deal with it. Use questions to point these things out. Is that helping solve or have a debate? Or is that using labels that drum up emotion to distract and fight?
    Understand it is the weapon of fear that has been used against them that creates these things, they are comfortable to stay with their understanding of what has been told. They want to stay on the boat, instead of jumping in the water to see if dangers are ahead. You can't just push them in, use creative ways to convince.
    Using these tactics I found works better than a head to head approach, if you can attach your knowledge of psychology and apply them that would help too.
    As far as targeting, I like your matrix analogy. Many people need their minds freed, and the conversation of what should be is a great starter. Once it is started you need to be able to show convincingly many arguments we have are from many being exposed for so long to manipulation by ones who we should trust in. That is scary? Once again questions. Suggest that it may be we have been tricked. I think we first start with the people involved and attach an importance to educate and how to do so.
    As whitefeather says respect is key, and gaining again our respect for our differences is the best way to open minds. If it is so lost we have to start in steps this is the first to point out and start the healing of our communications. That and the tactics I laid out above will help with the ones who don't understand this yet.
  • whitefeather October 2011 +1 -1
    Nicely said gavemehope. If we can break the chains of fear imprisoning people they will be well on their way to understaning their enslavement to this way of life on their own terms. Respect is the key. Without it we create defensive angry response because they are protecting what has worked for them up to this point and they will guard against change. What they dont realize is this way of life is depleting the life as we know it from the bottom up. Many won't realize this until they have lost all they have. When it happens then and only then will they be forced to see the naked truth of the vampire draining system of our life's blood.
    @Scoalbite. I think it is a good starting point to create a video of invitation for debate. Nice thinking.
    The trolls will eventually realize we are not fooled by their abuses. The more we can educate the people on the workings of a troll the easier the people will spot one when they see one and walk away.
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    I agree with you both
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    @ whitefeather Until they lost all they have. Good point , and breaking the chains of fear, love that one too. I think we are on to something here. First educating ourselves then others, and things I pointed out on this last post. How fear is used, and how to deal with, many different things, like the media, and dealing with people we have differences with. Asking smartly framed questions back, when they get thrown at us. Being respectful, adult and asking smart questions about motives, and where the outcome of statements come from and lead. I said it pretty good up there. feather added some, I was hoping@ Skoal would throw something in, but that's ok, maybe think of these things the next time you run into some angry people though. I will try to keep this conversation going.
  • marchelomarchelo October 2011 +1 -1
    @gamemehope, skoalbite, and whitefeather
    I love where you are going with this! An invitation to participate is brilliant. Our number one enemy in the information age is misinformation, and we can confront this directly by taking transparency to the next level: participation.
    The design work-group is having a big meeting on branding Sunday night (provided the "spoke council" debate doesn't take up all the time). We have a solid working concept going that addresses the very issues discussed here. Here's what we made for store windows in NYC if your curious: http://www.graphicwisdom.com/images/Occupy_Solidarity-poster_2.jpg

    I am working on a proposal now for just the kind of thing we would want to invite the outliers to- a fact bomb of sorts. The idea is to assemble unassailable, bipartisan, factual information free of any spin whatsoever; presented clean and clear: a misinformation antidote!

    I could use some help getting the details together. This is the kind of stuff I am looking for:
    http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intel/2011/10/11/11_incomeinequality.o.jpg/a_560x375.jpg
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    As you well know I'm rarely short with posts, but my wife needs some attention occasionally too. I know well the 53%, which is why I speak of them. I know how unwilling they are to accept the world the way we see it. I know all to well the temptation to believe oneself is special, better than others, and that is the way they see themselves and we are the ones they believe themselves better than. It is an obstacle, nothing more, but certainly nothing less and it is a very difficult one to breach. Many of them have been told by their mothers and fathers how the parasites will try to leech them all their lives, even those themselves who lived on month to month paychecks. At times it appears an overwhelming obstacle, but it is one I feel a duty to attempt, because I know if we do not attempt it--though we have a small majority of support they have the money and power of the rich playing on their emotions--our odds of successfully and greatly altering the balance of power diminishes (whether or not we would eventually overcome with reason).

    Our greatest asset is our integrity and faith in reason as the path to the best possible outcome for everybody and not only ourselves. Through reason we find the inevitable truths. And yes, the only path to a purely reasoned discussion is with respect, even when it is not returned. Perhaps especially when it is not returned (though not to the extent that it inhibits our own discussion).

    One thing, I do think we also need more 99ers here as well. Invite your friends.

    Solidarity, and reason prevails.
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    @marchelo a fact bomb would be met with more resistance, as I mentioned in a different thread, when directly confronted with ideas that challenge someone's world view people withdraw, dismiss, disparage. Think more like Socratic method: Instead of throwing facts in their faces, ask them questions like

    "Who do you want to be governed by?"

    It's important you make these open ended questions, without leading anybody to an answer. It shows you believe in people's ability to think for themselves and looks like the EXACT OPPOSITE of the bullshit we've been fed throughout the years.
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    @marchelo You being in marketing I wonder if you can look over this post and the ones in framing our narrative and give me your opinion on the total assessment of the combined thoughts of my post, along with the conversations I had. I would like to know if the outline of ideas could be a way forward in the how to combat these things. By learning in easy terms how they do it, pointing it out in easy terms, as I have tried in these post, and this post above that lays out a question based outline of a strategy to combat many things. Angry posters, the media, and those that get angry when you even challenge their opinion, and the fear that is behind those reactions, and trying to point these things out to them with really well thought out questions. Instead of just yelling something back, because usually that is what people have been conditioned to do, and it's designed to make you yell back. If your getting all that, and have the time to go look at other threads, I would really like your opinion on these things. Something to go along with the charts you are looking for. I don't think these are the only answers or anything, but if we are going to have to fight this the whole way, we should have a game plan how .
    @skoalbite I think that finding bonding goals and bringing people together, and protesting and leading by example by not giving up is the base of things, but I think this is important also.
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    I know some of these things are not always going to be effective with some belligerence you come across face to face, but it does with most, and over the web, when chatting and posting it will work well in many cases, but that is just part of what I'm talking about. I hope you look it over.
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    I don't have the time to respond in such a way as your very cogent point deserves @gavemehope, but I did read and completely agree. My first thought was of the movie American History X and how the loudest voices for bigotry have been lied to their whole lives by those they trust most... Not lied to, but have been told lies.
  • skoalbiteskoalbite October 2011 +1 -1
    @gavemehope posted this in another thread, I thought it to be very relevant: http://berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml
  • marchelomarchelo October 2011 +1 -1
    @gavemehope: just +1ed your post in the "dangerous question" post, so yeah, you're spot on mate. :)
    What did it for me was the appeal to the reader outside of the current confrontation. By addressing the situation to the passive observer and explaining clearly and calmly what was wrong with his line of reasoning, he was put in a position of defense. Yet defend is not what he did, instead it was once again misdirection. You had been able to resist being drawn into the emotional defensive trap, but fell in when your tactic of dealing with him itself was attacked. He correctly assumed you would defend the method you had created to deal with him- rather cleaver really. In any event your reasoning was sound. Practice makes perfect!
  • gavemehope October 2011 +1 -1
    It's was a trap within a trap. I may just know what i'm doing. You never know. I'm just a simple man, but sometimes simple words can explain things best, though it may take a few more.
    The most important thing is we all learn from this, and pass it on. The first part is up about 12 post here, and really there is much to do with this in 'framing our narritive' and the conversation in this post, then it all culminates in the 'dangerous question' thread. If a few smart fellows looked at this you might be able to add to it add draw up a concise game plan.
    That is no gullible boy there either though he acts that way, if so it is born of what I described in the post you +1d, and that itself could wake some people up if they have been a 'victim of this manipulation'. I believe that is the way to frame the description of the effects of this cause. I hope it helps everyone. Even people like him, and if it is the case he has been mislead, I hope it can help him too.
    If you could look at all of this, and compile it and send it off to the smart people you know. I would love that, and if that does happen I would like to know what they think.

    "To save man from the morass of propaganda, in my opinion, is one of the chief aims of education. Education must enable one to sift and weigh evidence, to discern the true from the false, the real from the unreal, and the facts from the fiction. " ML king

    He was fighting this back then. I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing, don't you think? It's evolved since then. We got our work cut out for us, but this is a good start.