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  • Janko October 2011 +1 -1
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  • KQuebec October 2011 +1 -1
    No more money in the world would be a great thing ... money = injustice, jealousy, war, crime and more ...
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  • Janko October 2011 +1 -1
    EFSF is the main body to sosialize public money to private corporations in EU:
    http://www.efsf.europa.eu/attachments/efsf_presentation_en.pdf

    The EFSF Market Group comprises 46 international institutions:
    http://www.efsf.europa.eu/attachments/efsf_market_group_en.pdf
  • marrand October 2011 +1 -1
    Money is just the fruit of our labors. It by itself is neither good nor bad; only people make it one way or the other.

    For the record, I see greater freedom and prospority for all the people on this earth, on the average, if we do NOT have world government. It's bad enough our own is telling me what to do and how to think; I shudder at the concept of even a bigger force controlling even more people.

    Just look at the trouble and effort needed to make even little changes in our own government. Not only because they resist, but because the independent minded people think independently and it is very difficult to achieve consensus. At least a democratic one. Now enlarge that to the global scale!!
  • Janko October 2011 +1 -1
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  • A global government in our present economic system that commodifies money (i.e., a debt and interest system) would be hugely open to abuse of power. However, in a non-monetary system such as the "Resource Based Economy" described by the Zeitgeist Movement, abuse of power would become almost meaningless (or would be seen as the sociopathic aberration that it really is).
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  • FullDemocracy October 2011 +1 -1
    I advocate replacing capitalism with democracy. You can read how that would work here:

    http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/901/solution-replace-capitalism-with-democracy/p1

    Democracy is a Greek word for people power. It means power rests with everyone equally.

    Since income is your source of economic power, economic democracy simply means you get equal income for equal work. The only reason to have any difference in income between people is to get maximum effort out of people and to get them to do difficult work.

    How much more you need to pay people in order to get their maximum effort or to get them to do difficult work can be scientifically determined, and it is not much more than double their pay.

    If you limit differences in income to just what is necessary to incentivize hard work, there will be enough income to make everyone wealthy.

    The final compensation plan would be directly voted on by the population, but if, for example, you paid mentally or physically difficult jobs twice the amount as jobs that are not difficult, since that is likely enough of an incentive to get people to do more difficult work, (and if we defined a difficult job as a job in science, computers, engineering, medicine, construction, mining, or farming), based on the American economy in 2010, that system would pay an income of $230,000 PER YEAR FOR THE DIFFICULT JOBS and $115,000 PER YEAR FOR THE REST OF THE JOBS.

    Difficult jobs would pay $230k per year, every other job would pay $115k per year.

    Of course, some of those jobs would be flat salary and some of those jobs would be performance based, but it demonstrates what is possible.

    Click the link above to get the full details.