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MOVEMENT NEEDS A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
  • Nevada October 2011 +1 -1
    Movement needs a presidential candidate. Any ideas? We must move ahead dynamically, with every tool we have.
  • lbmr58 October 2011 +1 -1 (+1 / -0 )
    That is hilarious! In a good way!

    Agrees: BrightestEye

  • adminadmin October 2011 +1 -1
    I'm voting Ron Paul in 2012 just like I did in 2008
  • stidmatt October 2011 +1 -1
    I believe this is a necessary step. I haven't found any people currently running for President who have the qualifications, and all of the Republican Candiates (sorry Admin, including Paul) have voted along the party line on the important issues. The only person who will have the ability to sway voters in our movement to make it look like he will follow our thoughts will be Ron Paul, but his voting record and amendment record on bills does not match up with his rhetoric. I am not old enough to run for Federal office, but somebody from the movement should run for President. We will also need people to run for Senator and Representative, because as we can see currently, the President can do nothing if he doesn't have the support of Congress. It will take a large voter turnout but I know we can do it.
  • I tink its definitely possible if we wanted. But thats where the movements biggest strength is also its biggest weakness. We have no leadership, we are a consensus. As soon as we associate with a candidate then that persons thoughts ideas and opinions represent the movement as a whole... of course I guess we could unofficially support someone, Im sure democrats are gonna start making promises about tax reform and government oversight to gain support from the movement. Hell Obama introduced the 'Jobs Bill' within weeks of the movements startup.
  • BrightestEyeBrightestEye November 2011 +1 -1
    I like Ron Paul, I would and will vote for him. I wish we had a third party , there is a petition going around to get a third candidate for the Independent Party.
  • matthew November 2011 +1 -1 (+1 / -0 )
    We have been discussing the idea of writing in Mic Check as a symbolic protest vote over at nycga.net: http://www.nycga.net/groups/political-and-electoral-reform/forum/topic/mike-check-for-president-a-nota-protest-vote/?topic_page=1&num=15. This would allow us to unite behind making a symbolic statement without getting bogged down in the divisiveness of electoral politics. It is very much inline with the way occupy has been working outside the box of traditional politics. Please join us over at the nycga.net site or discuss this idea here...

    Agrees: Durandus

  • skoalbiteskoalbite November 2011 +1 -1 (+2 / -2 )
    See the Great Ron Paul Debate thread for a discussion on him. He wants to slash 5 cabinet level departments that serve the people, cut corporate tax rates, go to a flat tax essentially. Plus there's no way he's winning the primary and he's too loyal to the Republicans to run as an independent against them.

    As for a Occupation Party candidate, it's too late, and too early at the same time. He'd wind up becoming another Ralph Nader and just steal votes in Gingrich or Romney's favor. We get seats in Congress, make names for actually serving the people, then run one for Pres.

    The Tea Party took dozens of seats in the House--but they were all picked, bought, and run on Koch money.

    The only chance we have is either run Occupation Party candidates for Congress alone (which might make a dent)--while running Occupiers for every local and state office--all of which is absolutely necessary for the Constitutional Amendment to get money out of politics, or run Occupation Party Democrats, the same way the Tea Party Republicans got in. We stand a better chance of getting more in there that way.

    Agrees: stidmatt, 1loveAl

    Disagrees: Durandus, BrightestEye

  • whitefeather November 2011 +1 -1 (+1 / -0 )
    :-)

    Agrees: BrightestEye

  • DurandusDurandus November 2011 +1 -1
    caveat
  • DurandusDurandus November 2011 +1 -1
    emptor
  • DurandusDurandus November 2011 +1 -1
    The horse has left the barn...nothing but clean-up left here...should take a day and a half yet...Go 2!!!
  • BrightestEyeBrightestEye November 2011 +1 -1 (+0 / -1 )
    This is not about the "Tea Party" Republicans or the Democrats, I am neither and like them both as much as I want an eye infection.

    The "Great Ron Paul" is the only consistent man over a span of maybe 30 years, he wants to end the Federal Reserve , end the wars (that is only to declare bases on other countries and has no reason) and he wants to go by the constitution , no to the Patriot Act and no to Martial Law (from what it looks like from his speeches).
    Obama has had his change and he has bombed it, he isn't working on the country, he is working for the lobbyist. Insanity is trying the same thing over and over, that doesn't work. I will never vote for Obama after 2008, he only gave out handouts to the corporations and handouts to the people.
    I want to end the Fed.
    And end bullying of other countries and wars (they are focused on Iran).
    I do not want the Patriot Act.
    Martial Law

    Obama clearly will not do this and has went along with every twisted agenda. I'd rather get dragged over an electric fence than vote for him again, many of my friends feel the same way. You must understand this is not a Democrats versus Republicans campaign. This should be about the politics not the party. If Occupy becomes a Democrat party, I will drop out because that is falling right into line with what I was trying to flee from.

    If Ron Paul won and failed, I'm transferring my studies up to the nice city of Toronto
    before the US of A melts down from it's wars and government spending.

    Disagrees: stidmatt

  • stidmatt November 2011 +1 -1
    http://ontheissues.org/Ron_Paul.htm
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm
    Paul didn't get 100% from any organization on any issue and several rankings around 50% showing inconsistency. Barack Obama however got several 100%s and nothing in the 30-70% range showing consistency. This test is done on all politicians.

    I think we need to set up a new party because both parties have a ton of baggage and corruption. I have written a party platform based heavily on the ideals of the occupy movement of non-corruption. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eX4aEtw25PhJ_RKdWj1CSJbKaU90W_fOuW5j5zpxWRk/edit

    We should have our own candidates to be elected from our districts who understand the concerns of average Americans. We are perfectly positioned to do this, all we need is the will.
  • BrightestEyeBrightestEye November 2011 +1 -1
    @stidmatt

    A new party sounds ideal. I'd rather have a new party than vote for any of the current candidates.
  • bnhunter December 2011 +1 -1
    HELLO....new person to the site here...While I understand the magnitude of the issues raised by the occupy movement, I can honestly say in earnest that I don't thin k most of the population does. It is my belief that if they knew what the movement was pressing for in simple concise terms..the majority of this countries Americans would be on board....it seems to me that the occupy movement is all over the map and that being in a scattered position of protest hinders the highly significant message that could be delivered. I am not being critical--just real. Maybe the occupy leadership could hold an online election to discern 3-4 specific platforms from which the movement could mobilize and bombard the media with these 3 or 4 issues of protests. As a side note--the AARP organization has really taken a wise stance with their medicare benefits by recently running ads indicating the strength in their voting numbers by directing it right at the politicians running for office. Their ads say--we are 5 million strong voting Americans and we will be watching you (politicians) over the next few months and you will hear from us on election day. If you want to keep your job--you best be considering our desires because we are the people you represent--and we are watching. Occupy should take this same bold in your face voting agenda. We need short concise issues that the movement could use as platform issues for resolution. Ex: 1) immediate criminal investigation and congressional inquiry into the reasons for us dollar bail outs 2) new legislation to prohibit insider trading by elected officials in Congress 3) immediate government pressure to force banks that received us tax payer bail out money to renegotiate upside down loans for Americans forcing foreclosure for the purpose of keeping their homes. 4) 3% of the foreign aid budget redirected immediately to fund US infrastructure projects that create jobs for Americans. These are just examples! Next, it might be wise to bombard the media with the selected issues so that public opinion and politicians can take sides and be accountable and empowered. Lastly, the movement can be identified by 99% as well as sheer voting power in numbers that flash in the face of politicians and that have the capacity to bring criminals to justice via congressional inquiry and hearings regarding wall street deception and good ole boy antics. The occupy movement has this capacity! It is ripe for demanding change if simple organizational functions could ensue. Just a thought and commentary?
  • BradB February 2012 +1 -1
    Obama will win... regardless... if we organize to replace him or not... we have not enough time or money....

    for the record... I like many, many of Ron Paul's ideas... but his ideas on returning currency back to gold standards.. is not only insane.. hehehe ... it is nearly impossible.....

    anyway... what we can be successful at ... is organize to clean house of congress... replace as many as we can with new fresh interdependent faces ... ;)
  • well-as you can tell, the Mitt will probably be our next Pres. and there goes our last chance out the door to make any kind of progress for the next 4 years. Years ago i said this country needs another "tea party"-i didn't know that we were going to have another political party who runs off with the mouth and does nothing. WE ARE THE 99% AND ALWAYS WILL BE.