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Disruptive Science and Technologies, and the New Economic System
  • slave February 2012 +1 -1
    With capitalism facing growing number of challenges that it cannot resolve, while simultaneously increasing the number of possibilities of living outside of its hitherto domination over the life on the planet, both as products of its drive for exploitation, i.e., profit, a new landscape is quickly forming creating radically new urgencies as well as opportunities to build a new economic system and effectively dismantle capitalism in the process.

    Whereas capitalism has been long tolerated by the masses due to its promises of increased productivity in manufacturing which were nonetheless driven by profit itself, that tolerance could only last as long as such increased productivity would not subject labor (i.e., the consumer, the enabler of profit itself) to oblivion. Yet with the ever-increasing rate of technological advances (driven by the profit motive) labor is becoming increasingly superfluous.

    So whereas, capitalism can benefit from some of these technological innovations for profit, it can only do so in the short-term. In the long-term however, capitalism has always been extremely poor in addressing the social consequences of its innately predatory and exclusive motive, based on private power / private interest, i.e., private ownership. It's drive for profit, necessarily motivating it only in the short-term, and manifest (among other things) by its development of new technologies, has finally reached a level that seriously question the formerly tolerated dominant hierarchical structure and the role of the capitalist himself.

    With the manufacturing process so much facilitated by "disruptive science and technologies" that make the traditional role of labor -> customer -> capitalist superfluous (since labor is the ultimate source of power) the entire dominating hierarchy of capitalism is undermined. A new economic system founded on sustainable economic principles that do not divide the population into this now antiquated class structure is called for. The "disruptive science and technologies" themselves lay an important TECHNICAL foundation for this new society enabling possibilities that were previously considered "utopian", possibilities that required a high level of production - i.e., common ownership, cooperation, common exchange and distribution, etc. etc. Yet the SOCIAL foundation for this new society is even more important and best to be considered jointly with the technical aspects in evaluating the real possibilities of a meaningful sustainable global systemic change - away from capitalism.

    Nonetheless, as a step towards initial recognition and focus on the issue, I am opening up this discussion to encourage learning about such "disruptive science and technologies" (not necessarily "new") and their implications in our struggle, including the new possibilities of building a society with a "radically different" / "disruptive" structure alien to the notions of private ownership / private power / private interest / competition, and intimate with the notions of common ownership / cooperation. I am suggesting that the ultimate value of such technologies specifically and in practice will have to be defined by their social impact, and as such some modification / customization / application restrictions would have to be implemented, once again demonstrating the predominance of the SOCIAL foundation on this issue.

    Some questions to consider when reviewing such DISRUPTIVE SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY:

    - What is considered the disruptive role of this science / technology?

    - How does this disruption affect capital vs. labor and environment, in the short and long-term, under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?

    - What drives the adoption of this "disruption" in the short term? What would drive it in the long term? Is this "diruption" sustainable under current economic structure of capitalism in the short and / or long-term? under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?

    - What are some of the "unintended consequences" of these science / technologies, short and long-term? under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?

    - Do these encourage / discourage competition vs. cooperation, short and long-term? under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?

    - What contradictions and synergies do you see between the particular disruptive science and technology and the existing ones? under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?

    - What is the social and environmental impact of this disruptive science and technology, short and long-term? under capitalism and the alternative "new" economic system based on common ownership?