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  • md16 December 2011 +1 -1
    President Barack Obama,

    Usually I would reserve the title "Mr." for a person of such a high office, but I am beginning to doubt whether you are a human at all. Rather, it seems to me, that you are a grotesque beast, multi-headed, spewing excrement from each mouth, a true political machine. I am sorry that I gave my support, my vote, to you in the last election, and hope deeply that your serpent tongue will be rent and dissected before the upcoming one. I am ashamed to call a being of such hypocrisy, "President," my leader.

    I suppose I should explain my disposition, the reasons I have spoken with such foul words. You talked about our country's economic crisis and the growing disparity between lower and upper classes in a recent Kansas speech, but I had to laugh. Equality, you said, must be sought, opportunity must be available for all. But do you believe it? How can I trust that someone that continued Bush's bailouts of the corporate feudal system, the exact system that created the disparities you mentioned, himself believes in equality?

    And are we to believe that these socialist tactics you implore are to allow anything more than what they've exhibited in the past? Sure, they pulled us out of the past depression, but obviously it was temporary, for we are now in that position again. These socialist policies breed inequality, they crush true opportunity. Take welfare for example. We are taxed to provide the less fortunate with a plate of food, yet a large portion of these people choose to spend this reward on cheaper products such as potato chips, microwavable meals, and other unhealthy processed items. Then they are pushed into the healthcare system they are provided when they have a heart attack or gain a food-related illness. Where is the justice or equality in that? And where is the opportunity? Who would want to come away from this system when it treats them like a baby, providing everything necessary? The system does nothing less than encourage individuals to breed for a larger paycheck because there is no way out, and in a world that is already packed full, near its breaking point, soon unable to provide sustenance for those who inhabit it. It is a vicious and endless cycle. No one should go hungry, that is for certain, but our system is broke.

    As for the quasi-facist "too big to fail" economic policies your reign has backed so adamantly, how can anything in a free market be thus? The aim of the system is to allow companies to fail when they are overrun, when they attempt to reach too far and take too much, when they make poor fiscal decisions. There are always smaller companies eager to eat up their business, a perfect way to create jobs. Why, if you are for equality and opportunity, do you insist these companies have a right to exist, to continue stealing our money, to continue making bad decisions? Why, if you are for justice and fairness, do you allow the CEO of GE, Jeffery Immelt, sit in your cabinet, or allow your wife, Michelle, to endorse corporate Walmart in its business endeavors? It is a contradiction you have spoken, a true political tactic.

    And in a move to secure your position as President for another term, you attack the Republicans as wanting individuals to fend for themselves. This may be true for some, we citizens don't have a great selection this election period, but there are a select few who uphold the ideology that this country was founded upon. Not that people should fend for themselves, but that the government should be limited so that we the people have power over it, rather than it having power over us. Our Republic should strive for strengthened local governments which operate in solidarity together, overseen by the extremely limited central government. This is the aim of the constitution, this ensures that every person has a voice, this is the best equality, this is how opportunity would grow exponentially. As for government, this is true for business too. Anytime something becomes centralized or monopolized, there is less need for manpower and a hierarchy naturally occurs. The stronger local business and government thrives, the stronger our country will become, providing opportunity and equality across the board; people caring for people, the closest to democracy we have ever been.

    Our parents' generation may have been blinded, swept away by these strange lies and contradictions, they may have sat idly by while the power of the artificial persons of government and corporation have grown near-absolute, near-immortal, but we, the people, the idealists, the new generation, are tired, yet not tireless. We will slay these dragons that have laid our lands bare, that have stripped us of all we have, and now sit on their hordes happy and content while the world around slips into decay. Though you speak well, and set forth good ideas here and there, your actions are louder than your words. We will heed these first, and not fall into ignorance, charmed by your honeyed tongue. Your record of inconsistency and failed promises will shine bright in the months to come.
  • slave December 2011 +1 -1
    The right lesson about Obama et al. is never trust a regime nor an economic system that depends on exploitation. Learn to understand Class Consciousness. Any system based on class division, not matter how reformed, demands oppression / brutality / blood sacrifice. The rich capitalists have been engaged in class war for ages (even Warren Buffet could has talked about it) while most of the sheeple has fallen for "individualism" falling for this and that "candidate".

    "Hang together or hang alone".
  • KnaveDave December 2011 +1 -1
    Interesting to read this right after I finished writing the following:

    "Let’s have real ideas for change for a change! U.S. President Barak Obama campaigned on the basis of making political change, but that didn’t happen. Now he’s retreading that campaign, but he still doesn’t seem to have any ideas of his own that look anything like real and significant change. I thought he could use some actual ideas for a change, so I decided I should gather some for him. Under Barak Obama, we got only a rerun of the Bush era ideas, concocted and administered by the same Wall Street cronies Bush hired. I’d hate to see Obama run his 2012 campaign on a retreaded version of the same old ideas." ( http://thegreatrecession.info/blog/2011/12/ideas-for-economic-change-social-change-political-change/ )

    If we want change, we will have to first change the man of change -- either by electing someone else or by convincing him to get with the program of real change.

    --Knave Dave