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Do we really NEED camps?
  • donOlddonOld November 2011 +1 -1
    Now that the authorities have started clearing out camps, it's time to ask... Are they really that important anyway? Why spend a cold winter night outside while there is no one around to influence with our presence? Wouldn't the movement benefit more if we simply went home to sleep and recharge our energy in a safe, warm environment? We would be stronger, healthier and far less tired. We would be better prepared to resume the fight with full intensity the next day.

    Municipal bylaws give them a seemingly "legitimate" excuse to clear out the camps, and a lot of the public will agree with them. The movement will not survive if they can "justify" the use of force against us. But if we return home each night and reassemble each morning, our constitutional right of free assembly will protect us. The public will not so readily accept any use of force against the constitution.

    We win on both counts. We remain physically and mentally strong, and our public support grows stronger. Plus we don't have to waste nearly so much time planning winter logistics and survival strategies. While the camps may be a strong symbol of occupancy, it is the presence of people that matters most.
  • damaged November 2011 +1 -1
    Yeah, I kinda agree. Besides the camps give the 'man' an excuse to roust us, and give the movement a bad name...only because not everyone in these camps are truly there for the reasons wanted. What is needed is to organize, I mean find people who have the skills, and the time to get the REAL objectives of this movement put forth in a way that mainstream media and politics can see, and realize we aren't going away. I have lots of enthusiasm, but I'll admit I'm not always that PC with my approach. Truth?...I really doubt this is going to go anywhere. Why?..because the powers that be, if we ever really make any headway and threaten their little empire will find a way to snuff it out. They'll buy legislation, or ignore the laws and buy their way out of a jam when that day comes. Right now they are waiting, and hoping OWS self destructs. I have to look at what our founding fathers did. They started a war, they overthrew the predatory manipulative government, based in England. It didn't happen peacefully, it wasn't nice, and if they'd lost, all of 'em would have been executed as traitors. The majority of Americans are complacent, and the dergee of media manipulation and misinformation keeps everyone sedated. The religious right are more concerned with maintaining their uber antiquated values, the politicians seem to care about nothing except poll results, getting re-elected, and posturing. I don't have an answer for what is the best approach, but honestly I think it'll be messy and not much fun. How many are really committed to do whatever it takes?
  • whitefeather November 2011 +1 -1
    What about the ones who don't have homes to go to?
  • donOlddonOld November 2011 +1 -1
    @whitefeather They are one of the reasons we must return refreshed to fight the next day. If we were saints, we would all take one home with us each night.
  • donOlddonOld November 2011 +1 -1
    @damaged I agree with everything you fear and say BUT it doesn't have to be messy if we play it smart. Obviously we can't beat them with violence, they have all the weapons. So as long as we avoid violence ourselves and find peaceful ways to side step every legal technicality that they throw in our path, we will prevail, at least, at arousing sufficient public curiosity & support for positive change to take hold. It's gotta be Gandhi though, or we will get crushed.
  • DurandusDurandus November 2011 +1 -1
    There are many homes to go to...whitefeather...millions of homes that are not being financially supported and are on the verge, if not already tipped over the verge, of foreclosure. What Occupy may want to consider is a Program of Encampment in these many Homes that now stand idle or in threat of foreclosure...here Occupiers may take up Residence and share expences to save these homes from being re-possessed by the Powers of Corruption. A handful of Occupiers at each location (home) should be sufficient to meet the financial necessities of Occupation without the threat of being driven from their Rescued status as Communes of Occupy. A website along these lines would be helpful, to catalogue available Homes for Occupation, and offer Application to Residence for those interested in participating in this phase of Occupation. Again, here is where the Encampment Protocol comes in...each Resident Occupier signing a Contract of Encampment to support that Encampment financially, morally, and within the framework of lawful residence as distinct from squatting. Occupiers would thus be instruments of Salvation to those who 'buy in' to the Care and Project of Occupy and the Philosophy of Cooperation as Our Model. Need I recommend more? My example stands as a Model of the same, if you follow my Threads. Good luck!