http://occupytogether.com/forum/categories/suggestions-for-occupy-together/feed.rss Tue, 21 May 13 17:06:48 -0600 Suggestions for Occupy Together en-CA http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/322/movement-needs-a-presidential-candidate Sun, 09 Oct 2011 02:06:07 -0600 Nevada 322@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1438/s.o.s. Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:09:29 -0700 granpachuck6 1438@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/536/occupy-john-boehners-house Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:43:24 -0600 smith_hm_2005 536@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/355/this-would-be-the-fastest-way-to-achieve-real-progress.-call-a-constitutional-convention. Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:34:27 -0600 Constitutional_Conv 355@/forum/discussions
It is in this spirit that I ask for us to shift our focus to simply, Constitutional Convention Now.

As Americans we have enshrined in our current constitution the mechanism whereby the people may be heard directly. If 2/3 of the states call a constitutional convention then it may proceed; in that convention we will have the ability to write a new constitution. Even if any of our demands were heard by the current, or prospective administration of 2012, how quickly will the government act? They will not. Through entirely legal principles, we will become the government. And we can act.

Within this constitutional convention we will discuss EVERYTHING plaguing our government: corrupt politicians, unfair election systems, corruption of the Federal Reserve, ineffective tax code, too many laws, for-profit prisons, free education, the Recession, green energy, and etc. No idea is too bold, nor too radical. As Americans it is our right to have our voice heard, and if not, then it is our responsibility to create a new government more responsive to the people.

To see our movement given credence in the immediate future, we must call for a Constitutional Convention Now.
Let's change our signs, change our chants. To secure everyone a fair chance to voice their demands we must call a constitutional convention.]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/752/adopt-an-ignore-button-for-abusive-posters Thu, 20 Oct 2011 04:21:07 -0600 slave 752@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/869/occupy-flag-design Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:49:39 -0600 aline_sf 869@/forum/discussions
My thoughts on the flag design:
-no text or numbers
-Red, White and Black
-Bold visual that can be easily sewn from fabric or drawn on a poster, that is recognizable and distinct from a distance.
-Unity

If you have an idea for the flag design, or thoughts on what should be included in the design, concepts or visuals, please add to this thread.]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1786/on-the-danger-of-political-faith Mon, 05 Dec 2011 09:44:07 -0700 Durandus 1786@/forum/discussions
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/30/arundhati-roy-interview]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1154/occupy-small-businessess Wed, 02 Nov 2011 22:19:10 -0600 BrightestEye 1154@/forum/discussions
No this is not a protest inside of a Mom and Pop Shop, we are actually going to support small businesses and banks in our neighborhood that are struggling in this current economy. Want a chocolate candy bar? Skip Walmart, go to a small neighborhood business, they need us more than ever. What day should we start, I'm serious about this, we should send this to the admins and post this on Facebook.

Hope you like the idea.
Peace,
Brightest Eye]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1026/right-procedure-at-right-time-make-squares-as-international-forum-for-transparent-debate-about- Sat, 29 Oct 2011 03:13:31 -0600 aldogail 1026@/forum/discussions When we act to have such attention drew for stop, to build modern world principles, taking on consideration reliable social justice standards.
How is wonderful talking about activities to opening dialogue window for public participation to involve and address common problems, which has rock bottom influence when guide line of strategic are concern ]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/921/how-about-a-wiki-at-occupytogether.comwiki-or-wiki.occupytogether.com Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:00:59 -0600 Timeshifter 921@/forum/discussions *http://wiki.occupysf.org/index.php/Occupy_Wall_Street:Community_forum

A MediaWiki wiki (as at Wikipedia) would be useful to people worldwide since many people edit Wikipedia. Occupytogether.com is already known worldwide. So a wiki here would soon be used by a great number of people. ]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1514/create-topicgroup-dedicated-entirely-to-impacting-elections-and-voter-registration Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:42:15 -0700 dave86 1514@/forum/discussions
Here are some resources -
http://electionland.com/
http://www.votesmart.org/
http://www.factcheck.org/
http://www.opensecrets.org/

The cynics who argue nothing can be accomplished by voting should look to history to see how social movements changed the fabric of this country throughout the twentieth century. (Read Howard Zinn.) Things are bad now, but they have been much worse. It took brave people who marched, fought, and VOTED for ideas and people that mattered.

I have been surfing all of the Occupy Movement sites and I am disappointed that voting and talk about elections has taken up a very small presence, if at all, on most of the Occupy websites. I think it needs to be the key effort if we want to succeed in seeing the reforms we believe in come to light. ]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1483/consensus-support Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:12:27 -0700 maikwe 1483@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1451/do-you-have-a-category-for-healthcare-related-issuess Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:20:20 -0700 SaferHealthcare 1451@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1405/the-occupy-global-anthem Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:13:46 -0700 dealdoctor 1405@/forum/discussions http://tinyurl.com/7mxokbc]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/804/occupy-appalachias Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:46:12 -0600 PsycoBradO 804@/forum/discussions
Today I had an idea of how we can support. As we all know our mountains provide huge profit for oil, coal, gas, and timber corporations. We all know they all overcharge us for a profit and this profit isn't tiny. All these companies work in our area taking all of our natural rescources! So why cant we Occupy them? I really want to get this started so everyone that lives in these mountains can support this movement.

Please reply to the post for ideas or questions. Please contact me if you would like to help. Ill be getting a facebook page and group up for it soon!

My email is biggerandred@gmail.com
Facebook is facebook.com/biggerandred

Thanks to all the supporters fighting for us right now in the streets, now its time to take it to the mountains!]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1027/hemp-natures-solution Sat, 29 Oct 2011 04:35:34 -0600 hempwise 1027@/forum/discussions Nature says use the resources don,t abuse the resources.
Google hemp everyone let us create a world that works for the highest good of all.]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/1054/equalityfreedomjustice Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:27:18 -0600 Evolution101 1054@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/887/search-function Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:01:05 -0600 skoalbite 887@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/844/there-is-a-simple-solution Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:45:54 -0600 happymonkey8d 844@/forum/discussions http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/602/is-that-all-ya-gots Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:17:47 -0600 GnomeAlice 602@/forum/discussions If people want to stop the corporations stop buying stuff. Why go sit in the street to change others when you won't address your own conspicuous consumption?

Corporations couldn't do anything if you stop buying their shit!!! You don't have to block traffic to get out of your car stop eating meat and McDonalds and turn your lights off. Why blame others when your own life style is a large part of the problem? I hope none of you tobacco addicts are there because it is you folks who are holding up the biggest corporate death machine in existence and there is no case to be made for the product at all.

Maybe we need oil or coal or cars or a police force but we do not need tobacco or MacDonalds or hairspray or plastic bottles or ad infinitium! Yet it is we folks, the people, the addicts who daily stand on our streets and in our homes poisoning themselves and our children and the waterways and the streets and carrying on the tradition of rage and abuse that comes with the addiction or the obesity or the cancer from toxins. So if all you hypocrites who are going to Bay street are smoking or you go to Timmy's on the way down there, or your shampoo came in a plastic bottle "occupy" yourself!

You just don't really want change or you would boycott corporate capitalism! You want to share the proceeds of the global death machine more fairly you don't want the machine shut off.]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/676/occupy-everywhere-everywhere Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:15:13 -0600 Arche 676@/forum/discussions @RKNJL.

Peace, Love, Solidarity]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/348/some-suggestions.... Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:24:45 -0600 Granny_V 348@/forum/discussions
Use a list bills, filibustered by Republicans and other conservatives, that would have helped the average worker. Financial reform bills, the public option for healthcare, public works projects....anything and everything that would have helped the 99% but was filibustered or defunded by conservatives.

Present those as "demands" while building a firm set of demands behind the scenes. It would shed light on which remedies have been blocked..and, perhaps, who fought hardest to block them while providing answers to these earliest questions posed by the press.

The cohesive set of first demands can follow in an orderly fashion.

It's a thought.]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/595/children-occupy Sat, 15 Oct 2011 14:40:10 -0600 Gaines 595@/forum/discussions http://childernoccupy.blogspot.com/
Start the discussion!!!]]> http://occupytogether.com/forum/discussion/570/the-bigger-picture-of-that-for-which-we-double-amputees-should-stand Fri, 14 Oct 2011 17:46:28 -0600 joseph 570@/forum/discussions
I posted all this on the facebook groups, but it seems discussion isn't really the main focus there, so here I am. I'm not really in a position to be able to contribute to this movement physically at the moment, but I feel a really strong conviction to put my ideas out there in hopes that someone with more skill and better position can expound/expand on them and put them to some use. Feel free to pick them apart, contemplate them, be confused, laugh at me, scoff, move on, what have you.

Second, this movement really needs to congeal what it is that it stands for (I know, a lot of you guys are working on this) before it gets hijacked by something that will turn it into something it wasn't meant to be. The most popular faction of the movement is "Occupy Wall St." This is what all the news media talk about, and they characterize a few things about us, none of which we should allow to creep into our own thoughts of what we stand for:

A) That we are simply against Wall Street and mad because of the bailouts.
This isn't a good thing. We can't just be "against" something. We need to be "for" something, and it needs to be loud and clear and on nearly every sign everyone may hold. What I feel it should be and why, I'll get to later.

B) That we are "the left" response to the Tea Party.
No! No! NO! *DO NOT* let them ingrain this into your or the general public's way of perceiving us. We shouldn't be related to the Tea Party in any way, even by that of an analogue. But, furthermore, we shouldn't be part of "the left". We need to stand for greater change than any "rights" or "lefts" could possibly hope to allow. If anything, we are *Double Amputees*. Also, at least unequivocally state that we are anything but "pro-big government" so Fox News and all the right-winged goonies will have one less talking point to ignite fervor from their base against us.

Now, onto the meat.

Over the past several decades,industry (corporate powers) + military have had much (if not total) dictation over this country's foreign and domestic decisions. It has slowly been draining this country and the lands beyond, and also poisoning the philosophies of a lot of the rest of the world. That's the main thing I think we all feel internally, and why Wall Street was a natural place around which the movement could first unite.

The best change we could hope for and, I think, the one we should rally toward is (yes, I've seen this elsewhere on here) to have lobbyists and corporate political donations done away with. These aspects of our governmental machine are *way* too exploitable, and there's no way our founding fathers had the system we find today in mind. It's a circus and a joke and a seething shame.

Just like with the separation of church and state, just like with the abolition of slavery, just like with giving women the right to vote and expanding their equality of treatment, just like civil rights, if we attain this goal, it won't be the end of the struggle for what America is supposed to stand for, or that of humanity. The struggle will always continue.

It may very well be America's fate to die like a clueless rockstar, with there being so many apathetic and cynical mindsets and such a harsh division of its people over nonsense and charades. Contrary to our beliefs, though, humanity wouldn't end with the death of the US as we currently know it, even though we seem to have absorbed into our beliefs that we are "the chosen ones". Hell, it could actually do the world and ourselves some good, and God knows we deserve it, too. (It's not coincidence that a good portion of the world has begun to abhor the idea of us.) Ancient Rome fell, and the world didn't end, though the people of that dynasty no doubt felt they were the chosen ones as well. The world learned a lot of things from Rome, in fact, and they will no doubt learn some things from us as well, when it's all said and done. Epic downfalls have many lessons to teach to our descendents.

*But the separation of very large estates and the state should be what is sought.* I see it as really no different than having church and state combined. It turns our government an institution that is not really of the people. . . at all. It's just a fundamental thing that must be tackled before deciding all the nitty-gritty of the specific things that also need to be done--like changing this tax rate to this %, giving us better healthcare, so on and so forth.

But it will likely require a generational shift in the government in addition to the backing of this movement (unless the movement really does become huge), since those who are on Capitol Hill now grew up in an era where they were conditioned into believing that that their convictions are somehow sacred, and that those who disagree with them are morally inferior. Add to that the fact that they also get caught up in the circus of our political system and are pressured by those that pay for virtually all of their campaign funding. And they have to spit out and stand by non-sensical ideology without budging in order to keep their office, when all the districts have been redrawn for the very purpose of keeping incumbents in office more easily, to the point they are actually rewarded for this spewing this BS ideology. They also have to worry about re-election by these constituents who have been zoned into ideal ideological havens, which can cause them not to vote on numerous bills and never get anything done. Not to mention that throughout history people in high authoritative positions such as government officials and corporate execs tend to be on the psychopathic side (the true definition of the condition/state of mind/what have you). To put it frankly, there's just too much baloney, times 1000, for the government to govern effectively and make the adaptations that are necessary to deal with this rapidly changing world.

So fixing all the things in that last paragraph should be the secondary focus, if we can schism the corporate tumor off of our government (can't really do much about the psychopath thing, though).

Also, I am tired of hearing this "you right-winged moron" and "you liberal socialist" nonsense. It's all playing right into the cards. We are not each other's enemies, but our strongest allies.

Why *are* we so divided on the whole? It's probably pretty common sense, if you think about it, but I'll post a link in a different thread momentarily ( http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=294421993905616&topic=517 ) that will pinpoint the exact reasons, scientifically.

Basically, our corporate-government conglomerate obviously already knows by now that we will believe what we want to believe, and that they just have to present two opposing sides and use things like religion to have us endlessly bickering with each other and not really uniting to our potential for any cause, whatever it may be. It truly is ridiculous what some people believe that is spewed out in the news.

And ofc, these bastard children of corporations and politics--whether it be Fox, MSNBC, CNN, or only some of them--are the front and center stage for this. Seriously, when Fox started behaving as it does now back at the time of the 2000 election, I didn't know what to think (unless it was like that beforehand and I just didn't pay attention). Thanks, Karl Rove! (just an assumption for the lulz there)

The reason all of this is so hard to overcome and that we are so deluded as a whole is like this: Think like we are looking out a window at a circus that is going on out there. We cannot focus on the glass itself to recognize it is there and causing our problems. It's keeping us from actually going out to the circus to make it a more respectable and true government, because we are just so damned intent on gazing out beyond it and being caught up in all the pageantry of all the pretty talking points. You get the idea. Can't see the forest through the trees, etc. But I've been thrilled to see dialogue like this popping up more and more lately, so the idea is definitely making its way around.

But, seriously, the chance of us doing anything to alter the status quo in the nearest possible future may be drawing short if the government pushes the internet blacklisting bill. I'm not saying it will or what a bill that is passed would contain or implicate, but it is a real possibility. It's ironic how we slam countries like China and North Korea for censorship and yet set ourselves up to have the possibilities of the same thing come about here in the future. You know damned well that this sort of thing we are attempting now is the biggest threat the companies have to losing dictation over our government, and that they would want to do everything they can to slim our ability to lessen their power. The internet is obviously the thing that unites us as an entity, so if the companies get their way and it is sanctioned before we can truly coalesce, it could be damning for the short term of our movement. If such a bill gets passed do you think it wouldn't be exploited at some point in the future? It's hard to speculate, but I think as many things as possible should be considered, as any could be what we find ourselves faced with.

In conclusion, even if we get these kinks in our government that I mentioned ironed out, it's only the next chapter in the continuing of the struggle, for our country and for humanity. There's a lot of work that lies ahead of us.

*TL;DL* There should be a separation of very large estates and the state.]]>